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ethics...club...
Who: the ethics club and whoever wants to crash their party
When: whenever in august!
What: just a mingle post for the disasters
Warnings: uhhh...........well there's a bunch of problematic people here probably, so we'll see how this goes. will update.
The "ethics" club isn't really that well furnished so far. So far, there's only a few things -- things that only Josh is able to access, as well as a dart board, a cheap (and faulty) polygraph machine, and a button maker?
Well, the other members will have to make those. But he does have a certain design for it, if someone was interested in ""helping"" him make the pins...
Otherwise, Joshua's probably usually in here, in classroom 2-D, and he won't turn anyone away. He might warn of anyone coming in of their eccentric group, but he doesn't really mind either way.
But there are papers spread around, not that he really wants to do the work of ensuring that his club stays open, but he figures there's no use in just ignoring it. So there's probably going to be some reports to go through on the papers, or something that could be defined as work.
Loosely.
There's a folder on the desk he'd moved next to the door which holds the topic of the month on it for whoever comes into the room:
good and evil: how do you spot the difference? Do those lines truly exist?
He's very interested in what people would say about it.
When: whenever in august!
What: just a mingle post for the disasters
Warnings: uhhh...........well there's a bunch of problematic people here probably, so we'll see how this goes. will update.
The "ethics" club isn't really that well furnished so far. So far, there's only a few things -- things that only Josh is able to access, as well as a dart board, a cheap (and faulty) polygraph machine, and a button maker?
Well, the other members will have to make those. But he does have a certain design for it, if someone was interested in ""helping"" him make the pins...
Otherwise, Joshua's probably usually in here, in classroom 2-D, and he won't turn anyone away. He might warn of anyone coming in of their eccentric group, but he doesn't really mind either way.
But there are papers spread around, not that he really wants to do the work of ensuring that his club stays open, but he figures there's no use in just ignoring it. So there's probably going to be some reports to go through on the papers, or something that could be defined as work.
Loosely.
There's a folder on the desk he'd moved next to the door which holds the topic of the month on it for whoever comes into the room:
good and evil: how do you spot the difference? Do those lines truly exist?
He's very interested in what people would say about it.
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Oh so just…hope being good right? [ Hope is the greatest good that makes other things okay. Which is probably the opposite of a sin…but sin could be inate right…? Hm. ] Waaah. I didn’t forget! Morals are hard…
[ They shake their head quickly. ] I don’t mind at all! Maybe other people would like to help out with hope?
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( he doesn't mind reminding them because he understands that crona normally forgets, or they don't keep so much information in their mind. they're skittish, always to themselves, but komaeda can't help but smile despite them trying to make heads or tails of what's being asked of them. it's seeing them apply themselves to this that makes this worth it, why komaeda engages, and why he doesn't mind taking part. )
Killing, stealing, helping, watching after others... if you can find hope in that to further others, then it's good.
( komaeda has a twisted view though, but there's no one here to say he's wrong. ) We'll have a one on one session, and then we'll spread it like a manifesto.
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It’s good! I might not get a lot but I remember that! [ Looking at the folder again, they furrow their brow. ]
But I still don’t know if I get evil then. If you kill someone if you don’t find hope in it then…is that evil? Or a “sin”?
[ They generally know they have sins they had to answer for, back home. They just never understand them. But they hadn’t known about hope, so maybe that was the problem. ]
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( he grits his teeth, hands balling into a fist as he can feel pure anger wash over him at the thought. sin, it's a familiar word, one that defines him from all that he's done, he remembers hearing koizumi in passing speak of how each and every one of them were sinners who needed to find their resolve. all that komaeda has done also amounts to such a word during his post-graduation years, and it weighs on him, but sometimes he can forget about it.
sometimes, but right now? he can feel his nails dig into the flesh of his hand, enough to almost break the skin if he isn't too careful. even his eyes have took a turn, or perhaps a twist as white and black mix, but that isn't anything strange when it comes from him... )
To kill just to kill... is as sinful as it comes.
( everyone must be thinking dito, but komaeda always gets dito in this hopeful situations with another person so it's fine. ) To cause pain, to watch people suffer... to erase hope from the world... you're nothing but a worthless bug that should be crushed. ( with a roll of his eyes, he instantly goes back to normal with a warm smile, and his eyes close to give that... nice appearance as he waves towards crona. )
But you wouldn't do anything so repulsive, now would you?
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Suffering...Um. You're getting pretty worked up, Komeada?
[ They aren't cowering at that anymore, but it still makes them watch him with the kind of quiet alertness that does ocassionally imply Crona thinks about things...but the effect is instantly ruined when Komeada turns and they jump a little with a jolt at being suddenly adressed. ]
Er...uh...If I had done something like that, would you stop talking to me? I wouldn't like that!! [They hold up their hands with wide eyes. ] Killing is good if its for hope and its bad if its not but I don't really know why I do anything!!
[ If you're a bad person who does bad things but can't understand why, are you still evil? #ETHICS]
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( worked up? what does that mean... he raises a brow unsure, but aside from that, he shakes his head to move on. he has to answer their questions, the ones they feel as if hold meaning: like learning whether komaeda would be upset with them or not. it's true, komaeda opinions on people can change in a heartbeat, but as long as crona doesn't do anything that warrants such a reaction: they're fine. )
I can't stand despair, but evil... the only way would be to taint hope, which I don't believe you're capable of doing.
( so in the end, evil doesn't hold much weight to komaeda, it's bothersome, sure, but there's only problematic concepts such as despair that makes him stomach turn. why a sour taste lays on the flat of his tongue, and he bites down on the area for a moment before he manages to cause himself harm. )
Ah, close your eyes, who is the first person you think of?
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Um... [ They close their eyes, before opening one to peek at Komeada. ] Wait...I'm talking to you, so I'm just thinking about you? Is that how its supposed to go. I don't know how to deal with vague questions about thinking. Thinking about people is scary...
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( they were thinking that crona would mention maka, or maybe someone else important to them that gives them the will to do what they do. he was going to make an example of something, but being the person on their mind, he'll try to bend it a little. he lifts one hand, patting crona's head slowly as he looks around the room, he's searching for someone... he doesn't see them, so he continues. )
That's not bad, because if you listen to me... hope will be easier to grasp, you know? Let's think of it like this... is hope good to you?
( sorry crona, going to have to think hard. )
And if you believe yes, then who is beneath hope...? Those are the ones you must avoid.
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I think... [ UGH WHY ARE YOU MAKING THEM THINK. They take a long minute, staring down at the floor before they continue.] Based on what you told me that hope isn't something I ever really knew. I was just sad and scared all the time, which isn't hopeful at all because I didn't even have a reason for it.
Then I met Maka, and I think I get hope a bit because I think she has lots of hopes and dreams about herself. And you do too, and so do lots of other very nice and kind people. So hopes good, even if I don't really do anything here or have much hope.
...I don't get your last question. I don't know anyone like that.
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( he lifts up his finger to make his point, now it's not the bites into the flesh that they did, but the fact that they're capable of some odd things. it's because komaeda can feel hope, or the amount that someone has, and despite crona the way they are now... it's not dormant, but it radiates off them in waves. he wonders what they can do, how it'll help the people here, and he smiles at the thought. )
You do a lot just by being here, so many people will do what they can to protect you, but allowing them to do that... is unfair, sometimes you must act for yourself.
( it's why komaeda killed at the start, why he wears a seventh tally, and even as he says that... his finger drags over the mark. anyway, crona has no problem doing, komaeda watches as they wander off to sleep, or do what seems right to them without bringing others into their problem. distancing themselves does no good, but he will praise what he has notices: )
You have been doing fine engaging with others, so continue doing that... true hope is born from the bonds you make with everyone. That way, you'll have reason to act, you'll want to protect them too. You're important to the group, so there's reason to have it. ( as he thinks about it, he continues: ) The people who say different, are the ones you must hate because hope is beautiful, and what little you have is worth showing to others.
( it can motivate them if they're strong enough. ) Ah, but that's hope... we're supposed to talk about good and evil, forgive me.
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Its fine...I can handle talking to people a bit better now. I can protect you and everyone else!
[ If hope is just doing that, then thats fine. Good and evil don't make much sense, but they can do what other people say. ]
Oh right...well you said we'd do hope class first anyway! Am I doing better now? I can take another quiz if you want.
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...Fine, if you're interested. Which Ultimate should we speak about first?
( crona should have an idea of all of them, komaeda has made sure to mention the dead ones, and even the ones who are alive and walking around to date. )
And I'll quiz you on them specifically, so if need be, you can choose one you know... personally.
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Oh wow a specific quiz...can it be about Amami? I have lots of nice things to say about him.
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It can, I'll offer all my love when it comes to him... so tell me what you love about him, he is an interesting Ultimate... his hope, I want you to learn so much about it.
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[ That doesn't really translate to his hope though... They think. ]
Well, I think he must spread hope by helping people...or protecting someone. [ Not Crona they don't need protecting, but he was trying to defend Rika during the meeting, right? ] Is that close?
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( he's never really ate amami's cooking, but he's he's ultimate regardless so his food is edible and worth the time. he glances at crona as he thinks about their thoughts, and komaeda nods right after. )
It's strange... I feel so much hope from him, and yet he doesn't know... perhaps the Ultimate Caretaker, because that job is to help and protect others, isn't it?
( close enough, and the way crona directs his hope sounds pretty on brand. )
If he kills someone that should have been protected, do you still stand by him?
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I think that sounds like a nice talent for him. Next time I see him I'll ask!
[ They pause at the sudden question, but quickly shake their head as they stare p at Komeada. ]
Well, I wouldn't run away. Amami is nice, and he couldn't beat me up. If he kills someone I liked a lot, like I was friends with...like how Noah killed Mr.Jekyll? Maybe I'd be mad and punch him then. But I wouldn't hate him forever and ever.
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... )
Crona-san! Do you understand how the hope of an Ultimate works? ( completely shocked, he looks towards them a little worried. ) If Amami-kun does anything, that too is hope, and is meant for you to to grow from...
( talking about ultimates killing make his heart skip a beat, almost charmed by the thought. ) ...Ah, were you mad at Ebalon-kun?
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If I was mad at him and we worked it out, isn't that also hope? Because...I didn't run away and I'd listen to what he had to say. But maybe I don't get it yet...
[ They shrug. ]
I liked Jekyll a lot, and Hyde was fine. I know Noah had a good reason, but he lied to everyone for a month so I was angry at him.
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( as for noah, komaeda clears his throat on the conversation. crona's neither right or wrong, actually. )
Did anyone ever ask if he murdered someone...? Communication is important while dealing with hope, but I guess it hurts because you believed in him?
( hmm, he places a hand on crona's shoulder, reassuring them. ) It's called having feelings, and you hardly understand your own. That's why you were angry, but he did a good thing... you have to support him through this time, while overcoming this sad feeling... because it doesn't stop here.
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I don't want to support him for killing someone I liked. [ It's not a no but its...as close as Crona can manage. They don't brush Komeada's hand off but they hunch their shoulders. ]
I'm not mad anymore, because I hit him so if I was mad after that I'd be breaking our deal. But...it, it hurts that Jekyll is gone! Its like if he killed you or Amami and I didn't know for a month!
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( crona is kinder than komaeda, and he understands this, and he won't argue despite how despairing it is to linger on a dead person. they are a stepping stone, so if crona can use it to their advantage, than komaeda won't complain. )
...Jekyll. I didn't interact with them much, but they're like two souls, aren't they?
( hm, give him a moment to break that down. considering they were someone with two different morals, it's very tedious, but it comes down to one thing. )
There's only one way to avoid not knowing for a month, and do you know what means you'd have to go through to make that happen...?
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[They hang their head, leaning into Komeada's hand. ]
Sometimes he acted nice, and sometimes he acted mean, and there were different names I had to remember...but they both um...I don't know how to say it. But I liked it.
[ Crona usually knows the answer to this question, at least when Medusa asks it. ]
I have to get stronger?
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( maka must be able to see spirits, but when komaeda spoke on two souls, he just meant one life and another, as to why he was nice and then he was mean. the fact of the matter is that people like things, that can be used to motivate their hope, make them feel less powerless if they apply themselves. )
To protect others, the bonds that you've made... you'll have to be more aware. If you have to protect someone who means a lot to you, sometimes killing is the preferred choice.
( he clears his throat. )
So yes, I'll help your hope become stronger.
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[ Its a different kind of scared then when they're just fearing everyone around them. ]
If I saw someone I liked in danger, I'd protect them! But I wasn't there. I couldn't have been there. I can't be everywhere, even if I ate a million souls. So in the end I couldn't really do anything for Mr. Jekyll or Noah. That's scary. If you help me with hope again, will it be less scary?
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