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[While he's guarding over some bodies... Hey he has questions. Alternatively might be starting a fight.]

What is it that drives humans? Or, perhaps more aptly, non-demons? Mortals? Whatever you slot yourselves under, what makes you do the things you do?

Why do you unrelentingly get into strife with one another — incriminating murderers, only to turn around and commit a murder yourself moments later and being shocked when others despise you, rinse and repeat ad infinitum until everyone's hands have been bloodied? Is it vengeance? Survival?

In the end, why do you forgive the people who you spend hours condemning? Are they absolved of sin because you say they are? Are you simply tired of fighting?

Demons and mankind are quite similar. I believe we're all guilty of the same things — all of you are so far from Heaven's Gates that it's laughable, same as myself. The events of the last month have me thinking about all of that, and...

Those of you who think you're going to Heaven at the end of your life, assuming here is not your final destination: Why is that?

Just some questions. Have a nice night.

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[ Hearing the cries and finding out what happened, B.B. couldn't help but offer help in making sure the bodies were protected. Yeah sure, Lucifer could handle it himself, but this much she could do for the poor guy.

She didn't really know him for long, and he made it crystal clear to everyone that he didn't really know her at all. But... it wasn't as if there wasn't something she really wanted. Hell, she wouldn't be lying if she said she had someone she'd kill for back home.

So, the question to her-- it's obvious. ]

We're driven by want, of course. Some want to be rich, some want to be loved, some want to have their cake and eat it too.

[ Although, it didn't feel like he was really expecting to be necessarily popular after the fact. ]

Ha~ah. It's a shame.

But we aren't anymore, are we? Humans, mortal, any of it.

We're shadows.

Edited 2022-02-22 20:56 (UTC)

Perhaps that is the case now, but fundamentally, at our core, we are what we entered this place as. I entered as a demon, you entered as a human, et cetera.

Do you think that dying changed your worldview?

What does it mean to die now? I don't even know whether I'm supposed to be sad.

There's different rules for Mario and for Zelda, you know?

[His co-guard... he appreciates her, truly. They're always on the same wavelength.

To Lucifer, this is just humanity. Killing, implicating, vindicating, condemning, repeating. From a philosophical standpoint, it's interesting. From a standpoint of "these were humans I knew that have passed on", it's saddening. From a standpoint of "I've lived a thousand, thousand of your lives, so I would have said goodbye at some point anyway", it's simply life.]

"Want"... yes, I suppose that does make sense. As a demon, I can't fully comprehend the scope of humanity. We act on pure impulse because we know we've already been cast out of society. Humans are funny in that they oftentimes try to control these primal urges — there's a reason the lot of you walk on the ground instead of flying in the air.

[Which is to say: you're all closer to Hell than you want to be. Than you think you are.]

Still, it makes me wonder about what happened here. They're sleeping peacefully, undisturbed, until I beat the door down anyway. If they died in pain, it would've shown on their faces.

...

I wonder if it really was a murder at all.

...I do not. I assume those are games?

[Sorry, he's ancient.]

That aside...

"Supposed to be" is quite different than to simply "be". Think for yourself. Don't allow the rules of this place to think for you, to control you.

Are you sad?

I can't not be, no matter how hard I try.

I think they wanted to go. Maybe the next place will be more peaceful than this one. That's why I don't know what to think anymore.

Admittedly, I had similar thoughts.

[They're in peace, "sleeping" like that. Either the murderer used a gentle poison — that's really the only explanation he can think of — or the duo took their own way out. Lucifer silently mulls over the possibilities while he's guarding them.]

This place is quite the hellscape. I can't say I'm happy about being here either.

[Death here is rarely permanent, though. Lucifer doesn't say this, but he's thinking it.]

Were they murdered, would you be angry with the killer? Or would you be happy that the duo may be in peace in another life?

Murder's wrong every time, right?

But... is that murder, if we're all already dead, and they're going to a better place?

Or is it more like helping somebody to the next level of a video game?

Is that how you see it?

I would consider us "alive" here, and therefore it would be "murder" to kill one of us. Unless we have different definitions of what it means to be alive, of course.

[Is Lucifer truly alive, having been created from the fabric of the Heavens themselves only to fall into the farthest pits of hell? Never being born in a true sense of the word? Is someone like Ranger truly alive, robotic as he is? It's interesting to think about.]

I believe there are instances where murder is acceptable. Not everyone is vengeful, however. I cannot say murder is always wrong when there are those in the world who very much deserve it.

Who knows.

Everyone is selfish, you can't hate them for it. It's normal... its easy. Trying to be the opposite is what's so daunting.

Anyway I don't think I'm going to heaven, so its to be expected. We'll all work hard where we are.

Edited 2022-02-22 23:27 (UTC)

Oh, can you not? I distinctly recall selfishness being frowned upon at several points...

[I'm sorry he's this way.]

"You" as in people in general, not you yourself, if that was unclear.

Sorry. I guess I'm not reading things right.

Do you think a good intent cancels out a bad deed, Lucifer-sensei?

I do, yes. Accidents happen in the course of trying to do what one sees as right.

The Heavens would condemn you for it.

[He speaks from experience.]

How much then...how do you quantify it? How much good, how much bad... it doesn't ever balance out. How much hurt you inflict versus the good you want to keep...I keep thinking about it.

I guess it would make sense a supreme power like that would expect pure good from people. I just want to sort out how I feel.

What if your good intentions allowed others to commit a terrible deed?

I don't feel alive.

[ What does that even mean, Nanami... she turns the words over in her head. She knows that's right but why. ] I remember things too well. It's like New Game Plus or something... where the rules are all different and it's basically a different game.

But it sounds like you'd be upset if somebody killed here. But I wonder who's the winner in that case. Don't we reincarnate if we leave?

Maybe the losers of that game are just whoever got left behind.

To be honest with you, I don't know how my father quantified it. But it was a high enough bar that my sister trying to save a dying man got her cast out of Heaven and killed, simply because she broke a single rule.

[Lucifer enforces the rules. Where it suits him, anyway. Good deeds being punished isn't something he'd ever dole out to his brothers; he tries to reward that behaviour. The opposite of his Father, he'd like to think.]

If your good deeds allowed others to commit terrible ones, that isn't your fault. It's about intent, is it not?

Say for example, I save your life, and you use that to take someone else's. It isn't my fault that you've made this choice.

You're not responsible for the choices others make.

I would be upset if someone killed someone I cared deeply for, yes.

[Like how he's sore thousands of years later over Lilith's death. How months later he's still burnt about Clamor's. How he'd condemn everyone within this school to the fiery pits of Hell were anything to happen to Sidney.]

We reincarnate if we leave, but not via death. As far as I know, we have to survive until "the end", whenever that is. Getting killed simply resets the cycle — something akin to Samsara.

[ It's a new piece of information that nobody had told her yet - how things work here, death and life and the in-betweens.

A new flavor of sadness washes through her as she takes this in and processes it. ] So dying early means you might come back here but without the friends you knew. That really is sad.

Mm... in all honesty, I wouldn't be surprised. Given how things turned out, that's one of the best endings that guy could've asked for.

[ No true consequences except the ultimate one, and it sounded like he died with someone he actually cared for. Really, it's a kind of beautiful end to a life. ]

Those urges can be pretty powerful. After all, humanity didn't accept that they couldn't fly-- so we invented the airplane. One thing I'm sure of is that if you do want something that much, then a human won't be stopped until they get it.

[ Another elongated sigh. ]

I didn't know the guy that long, but it feels like I knew him pretty well in the end.

remember when you killed a whole bunch of people because you were being a big baby

For the longest time, the only word that drove my actions was simply "survival".

Although my own tale admittedly differs from most. Absolving a person of their deeds, or their sins - that isn't something that human judgment can truly make. Sure, you may be able to forgive a person. But forgiveness doesn't change the fact that they have sinned in the first place.

I wouldn't blame those here for being tired, however.

I may not have been here as long as many of the others, but the repetition of the cycle of death, again and again... it wears on a person, whether they like to admit it or not.

That's what I think, anyway.

I don't think this is my final destination, personally. But I wouldn't say I'd be going to heaven. That isn't to say that I believe I'll be going to hell, either. Although I honestly wouldn't know the answer to 'where', exactly, I would be headed. Perhaps oblivion would be appropriate for a life such as mine.

I do remember this. How could I forget? That's the reason I can claim to be like humans.

Your sister...

[ There's a pause in the messages for a bit. There's a complicated thought here, about sisters punished for things they tried to do...but she's not sure how to word it, so its discarded. ]

But if you knew I was a danger, and you saved my life anyway? Or you had a suspicion I'd do harm...I couldn't say you were blameless then.

Nevermind, I'm talking strange. I'm usually a lot more chipper then this, Lucifer-sensei.

[ MIGHT BE sending psychic waves to sara to tell her that they should talk about this--

anyway. ]

Grandmother said that good people go to heaven, Miss Chidouin. I think you'll make it.

[ Mainly a platitude to attempt to cheer her up slightly. ]

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