[02/29] network: m.lucifer

[carpevinum]

[While he's guarding over some bodies... Hey he has questions. Alternatively might be starting a fight.]

What is it that drives humans? Or, perhaps more aptly, non-demons? Mortals? Whatever you slot yourselves under, what makes you do the things you do?

Why do you unrelentingly get into strife with one another — incriminating murderers, only to turn around and commit a murder yourself moments later and being shocked when others despise you, rinse and repeat ad infinitum until everyone's hands have been bloodied? Is it vengeance? Survival?

In the end, why do you forgive the people who you spend hours condemning? Are they absolved of sin because you say they are? Are you simply tired of fighting?

Demons and mankind are quite similar. I believe we're all guilty of the same things — all of you are so far from Heaven's Gates that it's laughable, same as myself. The events of the last month have me thinking about all of that, and...

Those of you who think you're going to Heaven at the end of your life, assuming here is not your final destination: Why is that?

Just some questions. Have a nice night.

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[dokkans]

[ Hearing the cries and finding out what happened, B.B. couldn't help but offer help in making sure the bodies were protected. Yeah sure, Lucifer could handle it himself, but this much she could do for the poor guy.

She didn't really know him for long, and he made it crystal clear to everyone that he didn't really know her at all. But... it wasn't as if there wasn't something she really wanted. Hell, she wouldn't be lying if she said she had someone she'd kill for back home.

So, the question to her-- it's obvious. ]

We're driven by want, of course. Some want to be rich, some want to be loved, some want to have their cake and eat it too.

[ Although, it didn't feel like he was really expecting to be necessarily popular after the fact. ]

Ha~ah. It's a shame.

[carpevinum]

[His co-guard... he appreciates her, truly. They're always on the same wavelength.

To Lucifer, this is just humanity. Killing, implicating, vindicating, condemning, repeating. From a philosophical standpoint, it's interesting. From a standpoint of "these were humans I knew that have passed on", it's saddening. From a standpoint of "I've lived a thousand, thousand of your lives, so I would have said goodbye at some point anyway", it's simply life.]

"Want"... yes, I suppose that does make sense. As a demon, I can't fully comprehend the scope of humanity. We act on pure impulse because we know we've already been cast out of society. Humans are funny in that they oftentimes try to control these primal urges — there's a reason the lot of you walk on the ground instead of flying in the air.

[Which is to say: you're all closer to Hell than you want to be. Than you think you are.]

Still, it makes me wonder about what happened here. They're sleeping peacefully, undisturbed, until I beat the door down anyway. If they died in pain, it would've shown on their faces.

...

I wonder if it really was a murder at all.

[dokkans]

Mm... in all honesty, I wouldn't be surprised. Given how things turned out, that's one of the best endings that guy could've asked for.

[ No true consequences except the ultimate one, and it sounded like he died with someone he actually cared for. Really, it's a kind of beautiful end to a life. ]

Those urges can be pretty powerful. After all, humanity didn't accept that they couldn't fly-- so we invented the airplane. One thing I'm sure of is that if you do want something that much, then a human won't be stopped until they get it.

[ Another elongated sigh. ]

I didn't know the guy that long, but it feels like I knew him pretty well in the end.

[carpevinum]

[It sure is. If they went peacefully, that's really all anyone can ask for. Even Lucifer would prefer to die in peace if it comes to that.

He imagines dying, holding onto his brothers, and then shakes the thought off.]

That's also quite true of humankind. You aspire to do things that we demons can simply get. Well, other than getting into Heaven, of course. I'm almost positive I'm banned.

[He chuckles; it's not like he wants to go back.]

Are you sad to see them in this state, then, if you feel that way?

c.nanami

[waitingforplayer2]

But we aren't anymore, are we? Humans, mortal, any of it.

We're shadows.

[carpevinum]

Perhaps that is the case now, but fundamentally, at our core, we are what we entered this place as. I entered as a demon, you entered as a human, et cetera.

Do you think that dying changed your worldview?

[waitingforplayer2]

What does it mean to die now? I don't even know whether I'm supposed to be sad.

There's different rules for Mario and for Zelda, you know?

[carpevinum]

...I do not. I assume those are games?

[Sorry, he's ancient.]

That aside...

"Supposed to be" is quite different than to simply "be". Think for yourself. Don't allow the rules of this place to think for you, to control you.

Are you sad?

s.chidouin

[samuraiwomen]

Who knows.

Everyone is selfish, you can't hate them for it. It's normal... its easy. Trying to be the opposite is what's so daunting.

Anyway I don't think I'm going to heaven, so its to be expected. We'll all work hard where we are.

[carpevinum]

Oh, can you not? I distinctly recall selfishness being frowned upon at several points...

[I'm sorry he's this way.]

"You" as in people in general, not you yourself, if that was unclear.

[samuraiwomen]

Sorry. I guess I'm not reading things right.

Do you think a good intent cancels out a bad deed, Lucifer-sensei?

[carpevinum]

I do, yes. Accidents happen in the course of trying to do what one sees as right.

The Heavens would condemn you for it.

[He speaks from experience.]

b.hood

[dokkans]

[ MIGHT BE sending psychic waves to sara to tell her that they should talk about this--

anyway. ]

Grandmother said that good people go to heaven, Miss Chidouin. I think you'll make it.

[ Mainly a platitude to attempt to cheer her up slightly. ]

[samuraiwomen]

[ She's not GOING to out what they know over the network...not that it actually matters now. The only collateral is the npc student body seeing a bunch of upset texts.

Anyway. ]

Thanks Bonnie-chan.

[ She'll not say anything about ending up here, because well...who likes when people are rude to someone trying to be nice. She just doesn't have much good to say right now. ]

s.meanswell

[closewithnewintown]

remember when you killed a whole bunch of people because you were being a big baby

UGLY LAUGHS i missed steph

[carpevinum]

I do remember this. How could I forget? That's the reason I can claim to be like humans.

r.furude

[miisdealt]

For the longest time, the only word that drove my actions was simply "survival".

Although my own tale admittedly differs from most. Absolving a person of their deeds, or their sins - that isn't something that human judgment can truly make. Sure, you may be able to forgive a person. But forgiveness doesn't change the fact that they have sinned in the first place.

I wouldn't blame those here for being tired, however.

I may not have been here as long as many of the others, but the repetition of the cycle of death, again and again... it wears on a person, whether they like to admit it or not.

That's what I think, anyway.

I don't think this is my final destination, personally. But I wouldn't say I'd be going to heaven. That isn't to say that I believe I'll be going to hell, either. Although I honestly wouldn't know the answer to 'where', exactly, I would be headed. Perhaps oblivion would be appropriate for a life such as mine.

[carpevinum]

You seem the thoughtful sort.

[To think he was just helping her with algebra like, a couple months ago. Not that that has anything to do with it, but still.]

Fatigue could indeed be a great contributor to actions here. Humans are interesting to me — they often do this in the real world, do they not? Forgive, forget, and move on?

As for your latter comment, "oblivion" is an end I find that most don't strive for. Not that I'm saying you do, but it's interesting to me that you think such is appropriate.

[miisdealt]

I've had plenty of time to think.

[Over a hundred years' worth of thinking, in fact.]

I can't say that isn't wrong. But from my experience, true forgiveness is all about understanding. Anything outside of that, it's hard to say if you're truly forgiving them of their actions, or if you're playing ignorant because you simply don't want to look at it in the eyes.

And then there are things that cannot be forgiven easily. But I think that if a person can acknowledge their sins and mistakes, make up for them... and change for the better, that's enough for me.

It is only human to make mistakes, after all. Everyone has their own flaws, as much as they try to hide them or hate to admit to it.

In any case. It isn't that I strive for oblivion, so to speak. But a life such as mine isn't exactly one that I think is meant to go to a certain place in the afterlife.

Well.

I've already seen a place outside of this that I can go after death. But that world is a rather lonely place.

w.ajax

[devouringdeep]

Bold of you to assume I could ever get tired of fighting.

[carpevinum]

Ah, that's right. That's a hobby of yours, isn't it?

[devouringdeep]

Well, I’m not entirely sure I’d call it a hobby. Fishing is a hobby. Combat is more of a basic need, like eating or sleeping.

[carpevinum]

I see. I do recall you being different from many mortals I've met in the past, but I have to admit, that's not quite what I expected.

If I may ask: Why are you driven by combat in particular?

un: s.dito

[necrophily]

i like having my hands bloodied
don't really give a shit about heaven
angels and goddesses and higher beings and shit?
REAL annoying

[carpevinum]

I would have to agree with you on the latter. Angels and Gods tend to be quite the nuisance.

They have far too much power.