ethics...club...

[comprises]

Who: the ethics club and whoever wants to crash their party
When: whenever in august!
What: just a mingle post for the disasters
Warnings: uhhh...........well there's a bunch of problematic people here probably, so we'll see how this goes. will update.

The "ethics" club isn't really that well furnished so far. So far, there's only a few things -- things that only Josh is able to access, as well as a dart board, a cheap (and faulty) polygraph machine, and a button maker?

Well, the other members will have to make those. But he does have a certain design for it, if someone was interested in ""helping"" him make the pins...

Otherwise, Joshua's probably usually in here, in classroom 2-D, and he won't turn anyone away. He might warn of anyone coming in of their eccentric group, but he doesn't really mind either way.

But there are papers spread around, not that he really wants to do the work of ensuring that his club stays open, but he figures there's no use in just ignoring it. So there's probably going to be some reports to go through on the papers, or something that could be defined as work.

Loosely.

There's a folder on the desk he'd moved next to the door which holds the topic of the month on it for whoever comes into the room:

good and evil: how do you spot the difference? Do those lines truly exist?

He's very interested in what people would say about it.

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Crona Gorgon | OTA

[radnarok]

A. [ Crona stands by the desk looking down at the folder Josh has left with a furrowed brow. Its unclear if they're having more trouble reading the script or if they just find the concept difficult ]

Um... [ They speak aloud to nobody to particular. Its a bad habit, but maybe someone will come over and explain something if they hear Crona is confused. ]

I don't really get it. Dividing everything into lines seems hard to deal with...I'd have to sort so many things, I wouldn't get any sleep. [ They tap their chin. ] Um...evil is, a sin. And good is whatever the opposite of a sin is. I don't really get either, because people scare me, but I guess thats how it is.

B. [ Crona is...weirdly good at darts, and at some point during the club meeting they'll wander over to the board and start playing. It's clear they have no idea of what the actual rules are, but they're having a good time collecting a dart and throwing it over and over again. They startle when they spot someone nearby. ]

Oh...do you want a turn? I can stop.

a

[commences]

Crona-san, I've taught you all about this.

( crona attened hope class for a reason, but that's not going to stop komaeda from taking the folder as he points at the questions offered to them. it's pretty simple when komaeda looks at it as he manages to split good and bad into two separate things: hope and despair. despair can't even hold a candle to hope, but this isn't asking which side is better, it's asking how they're able to tell which one it is. )

Even though this is Ethics Club, should we begin our session of Hope Class to jog your memory?

( it HAS been awhile. )

[radnarok]

O-oh?? [ They both perk up and cringe a bit at Komeafas words. It’s good to see someone they know or like, but did they get something wrong? ]

Oh so just…hope being good right? [ Hope is the greatest good that makes other things okay. Which is probably the opposite of a sin…but sin could be inate right…? Hm. ] Waaah. I didn’t forget! Morals are hard…

[ They shake their head quickly. ] I don’t mind at all! Maybe other people would like to help out with hope?

[commences]

As you know, hope is absolute good, so no matter what you do — it's good!

( he doesn't mind reminding them because he understands that crona normally forgets, or they don't keep so much information in their mind. they're skittish, always to themselves, but komaeda can't help but smile despite them trying to make heads or tails of what's being asked of them. it's seeing them apply themselves to this that makes this worth it, why komaeda engages, and why he doesn't mind taking part. )

Killing, stealing, helping, watching after others... if you can find hope in that to further others, then it's good.

( komaeda has a twisted view though, but there's no one here to say he's wrong. ) We'll have a one on one session, and then we'll spread it like a manifesto.

[radnarok]

[ A child probably shouldn’t smile at a lecture like this, but Crona likes hearing Komeada talk. His expectations are pretty easy to follow, hes nice, and if Crona asks the right questions he’ll just go on like this for hours and they don’t need to fumble with things to say. ]

It’s good! I might not get a lot but I remember that! [ Looking at the folder again, they furrow their brow. ]

But I still don’t know if I get evil then. If you kill someone if you don’t find hope in it then…is that evil? Or a “sin”?

[ They generally know they have sins they had to answer for, back home. They just never understand them. But they hadn’t known about hope, so maybe that was the problem. ]

[commences]

Despair... as simple as that! Killing, destruction, anything that goes against hope in order to see everyone suffer!

( he grits his teeth, hands balling into a fist as he can feel pure anger wash over him at the thought. sin, it's a familiar word, one that defines him from all that he's done, he remembers hearing koizumi in passing speak of how each and every one of them were sinners who needed to find their resolve. all that komaeda has done also amounts to such a word during his post-graduation years, and it weighs on him, but sometimes he can forget about it.

sometimes, but right now? he can feel his nails dig into the flesh of his hand, enough to almost break the skin if he isn't too careful. even his eyes have took a turn, or perhaps a twist as white and black mix, but that isn't anything strange when it comes from him... )

To kill just to kill... is as sinful as it comes.

( everyone must be thinking dito, but komaeda always gets dito in this hopeful situations with another person so it's fine. ) To cause pain, to watch people suffer... to erase hope from the world... you're nothing but a worthless bug that should be crushed. ( with a roll of his eyes, he instantly goes back to normal with a warm smile, and his eyes close to give that... nice appearance as he waves towards crona. )

But you wouldn't do anything so repulsive, now would you?

[radnarok]

Ah! I don't like suffering. [ Personally. Other people suffering is whatever. You're on your own, unless Crona likes you. ]

Suffering...Um. You're getting pretty worked up, Komeada?

[ They aren't cowering at that anymore, but it still makes them watch him with the kind of quiet alertness that does ocassionally imply Crona thinks about things...but the effect is instantly ruined when Komeada turns and they jump a little with a jolt at being suddenly adressed. ]

Er...uh...If I had done something like that, would you stop talking to me? I wouldn't like that!! [They hold up their hands with wide eyes. ] Killing is good if its for hope and its bad if its not but I don't really know why I do anything!!

[ If you're a bad person who does bad things but can't understand why, are you still evil? #ETHICS]

[commences]

...?

( worked up? what does that mean... he raises a brow unsure, but aside from that, he shakes his head to move on. he has to answer their questions, the ones they feel as if hold meaning: like learning whether komaeda would be upset with them or not. it's true, komaeda opinions on people can change in a heartbeat, but as long as crona doesn't do anything that warrants such a reaction: they're fine. )

I can't stand despair, but evil... the only way would be to taint hope, which I don't believe you're capable of doing.

( so in the end, evil doesn't hold much weight to komaeda, it's bothersome, sure, but there's only problematic concepts such as despair that makes him stomach turn. why a sour taste lays on the flat of his tongue, and he bites down on the area for a moment before he manages to cause himself harm. )

Ah, close your eyes, who is the first person you think of?

a

[comprises]

[well, here comes mr. shitlord himself to tell Crona thing or two about good and evil.

...maybe.]

I don't think it's so black and white, is it? What if someone else's "good" is another person's "evil"?

[just. y'know. to fuck around with Crona some more.]

[radnarok]

[ Oh god, Save Them. ]

Eeeehh… [ They turn to frown at Joshua ] Don’t make me confused! I can’t deal with ambiguous sounding questions like this!!

I already said I don’t get people. [ They almost mutter “stupid” under their breath but think better of it, because Joshua is nice and this is his club. ]

So if people think different things, what does that have to do with me?? They should just figure it out themselves…

where the fuck did my notif go for this tag

[comprises]

It's a chance to "get" people. Wanting to understand one another just makes life more interesting, does it not?

["nice"....at least he hasn't done anything too manipulative yet.

yet.]

It's nothing bad...maybe you'll even learn something from it all.

its ok king

[radnarok]

Eeh...

[ Honestly being manipulative is fine. They don't care. That's like, all of Crona's friends at this point? Except Nene. Thank you Nene. ]

Interesting things are probably to much for me...How could I deal with something I don't know how to react to? [ They squint at him but honestly resisting anyone in conversation is also to much for Crona so they start trying to think of another answer. ]

If someone thinks something is good and the other person thinks its evil, then they should fight and the winning person is right? Um...no thats not what Maka would say...but she fights for her beliefs really hard, so it must be something like that.

Re: its ok king

[comprises]

[this is already so much to unpack here. it just seems to him that Crona's really used to being manipulated and doesn't have much input on their own, which tells Josh it'd be really easy to use them.

but also, other people could use them too. that's the only setback there. so in the end, it's just that he needed to get to know him a bit more...maybe make him a bit more independent.

something. he still hasn't figured that out yet.]

That's the whole purpose of the discussion. To decide how to react to things...

[even though Crona's explanation was. hm. something.]

It could be like that. Good and evil seems to be opinion more often than not -- what some people call "good" is another person's "evil", and vice versa. To me, even if the fight isn't physical, it's a debate of ideals to see who would get the other side to agree first.

[radnarok]

[ There's so much to unpack here you might as well throw away the whole suitcase, sorry Josh. ]

I'm trying... [ They give him a pleading look. ] But reacting to vague things is hard, I don't get how to deal with them yet.

[They pause, giving a small nod as he continues. What Josh is saying now actually matches fairly well with Crona's own lived experiences. ] Oh...yeah that makes sense! You can fight just with your hearts...I think if you're just out for yourself...then your ideas of good probably wouldn't be able to beat someone nice. Like Maka and me!

[comprises]

[not the puppy eyes...usually he's immune to that sort of thing, but. y'know. tryna get to know Crona here.]

So then this exercise of the mind is good.

[the way that Crona keeps mentioning this Maka person is kinda interesting -- they must be someone very important to them. he's interesting to know what kind of person they are.]

You're getting it. [kinda.] Who is this Maka person, now?

b

[necrophily]

[ It catches Dito's attention in earnest to see Crona actually that good at aiming. He wonders idly how good they might be with a spear in hand or something.

He's just kind of standing there watching a few feet away, arms crossing over his chest and head slightly tilted as he watches without any particular expression on his face sans for an observant (maybe curious) demeanor.

He shakes his head and lifts up a hand when Crona mentions stopping. ]

Like I'm gonna go after someone as good as you.

[ Although... ]

Think you can hit something else though? You should try for a harder target.

dito my friend dito

[radnarok]

I can't be that good, I don't know the rules. You use a spear right...I'm sure you're really good at aiming!

[ Crona hasn't used a spear but they have had to aim their blood so they should be...okay. If they don't trip on it. They like the charm on Dito's spear a lot, though, so they'd love to borrow it sometime. ]

A harder target... Um. I guess this target is soft, should I aim at the wall? [ They don't actually wait, tossing the dart in their hand straight at the wall with zero regards for the property damage to this classroom. They fiddle with the others and give Dito and expectant look. ] Er...I guess its less fun without something to aim at...?

bestie.......

[necrophily]

Spears are bigger, though.

[ It's easier to aim? Maybe for him, considering a lot of people would have issues handling his spear with no experience. Dito's probably on the smaller stature of people who should even be using spears, but it's no issue for him. Five's was even bigger and more extravagant. He doesn't really have a normal estimate for how people should handle weapons, considering his battle experience is purely around Intoners and Disciples who simply kill whatever with whatever.

Humans are squishy.

Dito's about to suggest another soft target in lieu of that line of thought, but then Crona just goes and throws it at the wall with no hesitation.

He scoffs a laugh, approaching the wall himself both to remove Crona's dart and see how hard they had hit it -- but also because he wants to try using a dart himself, in spite of what he'd said.

While he's examining this, he unconcernedly points in Joshua Kiryuu's direction. ]

Try hitting him.

crona voice: dito this normal guy i know

[radnarok]

Oh...do you want me to ask if Joshua has bigger darts? [ The obvious solution. Perhaps they can go get Dito's spear and throw it at the wall for fun. ]

I got used to fighting with needles, thats all. [ The dart is embedded deep enough its not immediatly falling out of the wall, but Dito shouldn't have any trouble removing it. Crona is weirdly strong for someone who looks like a strong breeze could shove them over, but they're not trying to destroy property. ] So nothing here is that hard to aim...

Is Joshua playing with us? [ They shoot Dito a hesitant look, but they're already raising the dart. ] Heads up!

b.

[decrypter]

[the voice is mutually a little startling - she'd heard them near, but she hadn't been entirely turned their direction. pivoting around, she pulls up a polite smile and shakes her head.]

Please, keep going - I'm not very fond of sharp things like darts, anyway.

[but she knows the sound, from friends playing and then arguing over the rules. it feels like a distant life ago, even though it isn't - so it's a familiar sound, one she associates with calmer moments.]

Are you winning?

[radnarok]

A-are they sharp? I haven't cut myself yet.

[ Crona tilts their head, unaware Helana can't see them. These darts aren't very much like the ones they can make with their blood. ]

Winning? Um! I don't really know the rules, sorry! I just like throwing things...sorry if thats hard to deal with...

[decrypter]

Why would that be hard to deal with?

[the confusion in her voice is genuine, listening to their words. ]

If you're enjoying yourself, then there's no problem at all. You wouldn't even need the rules to follow.

[radnarok]

U-um?

[ Oh no she’s so nice, she has a nice voice, just like Miss Marie. Crona cowers away from Helena. Nice adults are the hardest people to understand! ]

Can you not ask me such nice questions? That’s hard too! I just can’t deal with things. I was probably born like this.

[ Having fun is an evil trap and even acknowledging it makes Crona feel like they’re in trouble. Which is weird, they should stop feeling like this. ]

If Miss says so…I can also not learn the rules?

[decrypter]

It's up to you, in the end.

[how confusing. perhaps this person is just worried about something? as it is, Helena thinks she's harmless - she hasn't so much as raised her voice above a soft conversation. then it's up to her to be as gentle as possible.]

Any game's supposed to be for fun's sake, above all else. If the rules wouldn't make it fun for you, then why not discard them for yourself?

[radnarok]

[ Good guess! They're worried about ~everything~ ]

I can't deal with this...

[ They repeat for lack of any other answer. Up to them? They can't possibly know what to do then! ]

I don't know the rules, so I don't know if they're fun or not...Um...I guess I should ask Komeada, or maybe Joshua? They're nice, did you know this is their club!? They invited me even if I don't know what ethics are! That's so nice. I used to ask Mr.Jekyll my questions too, but I think hes gone forever. That's really sad...